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first confirmed case of mechanical doping
Last Post 04/26/2016 07:22 AM by Dale Dale. 59 Replies.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/01/2016 11:01 AM |
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I absolutely think you should be banned.....
But can we stop calling this "mechanical doping"....it is just the dumbest term I have ever heard. Has nothing to do with doping and is just flat-out cheating (and arguably worse than doping since it completely changes what the sport is....) |
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ChinookPass
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| 02/01/2016 11:12 AM |
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| yeah, mechanics, managers, sponsors, parents, groupies, etc should all be banned for ever. At least this all doesn't have to be managed according to the WADA code... |
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Orange Crush
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| 02/01/2016 11:13 AM |
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Sounds like she used the poor (wo)man's version and technology has moved on...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/electromagnetic-wheels-are-the-new-frontier-of-mechanical-doping-claims-gazzetta-dello-sport/ |
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79pmooney
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| 02/01/2016 11:15 AM |
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CK, I don't think the term "mechanical doping" is that far off. Think about it. Doping - riders on the juice, mechanical doping - bikes on the (other) juice. No?
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/01/2016 11:28 AM |
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Posted By ChinookPass . on 02/01/2016 11:12 AM
yeah, mechanics, managers, sponsors, parents, groupies, etc should all be banned for ever. At least this all doesn't have to be managed according to the WADA code...
Excellent point, CP....hadn't thought about that.
Punny, Ben.... |
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79pmooney
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| 02/01/2016 11:41 AM |
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Mechanical doping: old news. 100 years ago, think racing airplanes. Every single one of those planes was doped to the gills. Airplane construction of the day - lacquered (doped) fabric stretched over wood frames.
(Again - boo!!)
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79pmooney
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| 02/01/2016 11:42 AM |
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Duplicate post (Maybe I should upgrade to a better net connection.)
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longslowdistance
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| 02/01/2016 11:55 AM |
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| OC, do you think the Gazzetta article might be a hoax? It would take more than a wheel. Some sort of modification would be needed in stays or seat tube, with a lot of windings (= weight and volume) and electronic control. It would create some em noise, too - Maybe nearby HRMs would be messed up. |
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Red Tornado
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| 02/01/2016 01:24 PM |
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| Reading the dad's comments (wasn't her bike, it wasn't used, etc.) makes me wonder if could be established whether or not the bike had been used during the race? Was it clean, like "fresh off the team van" clean? Did it appear to have been ridden and then cleaned/sprayed off? I would think even if cleaned, you could find some fresh mud on it somewhere. But then you really don't know if was the rider in question or someone else on it; maybe pre-riding? Still prob not legal to pre-ride with a motorized bike.
Also if we assume that Femke did, in fact, NOT ride that bike, then we have to figure out how a bogus bike made it onto the course/pits. Given that things can get hectic for team personnel, there still needs to be accountability for what equipment finds its way into the course, especially if said equipment is not legal. If this young lady did not ride the motorized bike, it should have not been in the pits.
Since it's basically impossible to establish Femke's intent, the person/people who let that bike get to the pits need to be held accountable.
There are so many other questions that come to mind as I write this, but I'll hold off for now. |
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Dale
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| 02/01/2016 01:47 PM |
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Even if the bike was not ridden it would be pretty easy to identify if it were hers-- saddle height, pedal brand, stem length, etc. and furthermore if I were looking at a lifetime ban I'd be specific as to whose bike it is.
"Not MY bike, it's CK's bike! Look how aero it is... narrow bars, slammed stem, Zipp wheels. You know it can't be mine, I'd get blown all over the place if I ran wheels the deep. Don't ban me, ban HIM, 'fer gosh sake!" |
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Orange Crush
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| 02/01/2016 01:48 PM |
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Posted By Frederick Jones on 02/01/2016 11:55 AM
OC, do you think the Gazzetta article might be a hoax? It would take more than a wheel. Some sort of modification would be needed in stays or seat tube, with a lot of windings (= weight and volume) and electronic control. It would create some em noise, too - Maybe nearby HRMs would be messed up.
The article is certainly short on physics and I am skeptical. But then again everyone was skeptical in 2010 too. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/01/2016 02:19 PM |
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Posted By Dale Dale on 02/01/2016 01:47 PM
Even if the bike was not ridden it would be pretty easy to identify if it were hers-- saddle height, pedal brand, stem length, etc. and furthermore if I were looking at a lifetime ban I'd be specific as to whose bike it is.
"Not MY bike, it's CK's bike! Look how aero it is... narrow bars, slammed stem, Zipp wheels. You know it can't be mine, I'd get blown all over the place if I ran wheels the deep. Don't ban me, ban HIM, 'fer gosh sake!"
Hey, YOU were the mecanic in the pits....don;t try and blame ME after the fact. 
As for the idea that she "didn't ride" it, Basso (supposedly) never doped, but had the material to. Still got the same suspension. If it was brought into the race area by her or her team, then she is responsible for it and it is the same as if she actually rode it. |
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Dale
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| 02/01/2016 02:41 PM |
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I'm not arguing for lenient action if it were someone else bike, but were it me I'd still go down swinging and out whoever owns the bike.
Good for Wilier for going on record that they intend to sue over this as it taints the brand. Not sure it will go anywhere but good for them anyway.
http://www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2016/02/01/wilier-triestina-will-sue-belgian-rider-over-alleged-hidden?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook#.Vq_CdcfTRcJ
And don't mistake me for a mechanic, I'm just a bike washer |
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79pmooney
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| 02/01/2016 02:59 PM |
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Dale, in other circles, washing makes you an accomplice. Laundering money. Hope those bikes weren't green.
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Orange Crush
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| 02/01/2016 03:18 PM |
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Well it seems the supposed owner of the bike and friend of family stepped forward (ex pro without contract). He only uttered one sentence indicating it was his bike.
The story the family came up with: he bought bike from Femke last year (that's why it has her initials) to ride with her brother (not sure if its the doper or the other brother)...friend needed the motor to keep us with brother (huh?!?; I guess this makes sense it you have to keep up with a doper). It just so happens he rode out there and then parked bike right among Femke's bikes (more huh?!?)
Doping brother aside, the father is bankrupt and apparently father and brother are in trouble with law for theft of fowl.
OK...this is Belgium, Europe's wild west so nothing should necessarily surprise. |
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