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Ulrich spews...but can you argue with his reason

Last Post 08/08/2013 07:48 AM by entheo genic. 38 Replies.

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08/05/2013 03:34 PM
i still like der kaiser, but let's face it -- there was honor among thieves.

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08/05/2013 05:02 PM
US postal had the most sophisticated doping regimen. Translation: They got caught.

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08/05/2013 09:37 PM
"TH did well with his program until EF spread himself too thin and almost killed his clients" According to tyler, by 2004, mayo, himself and ullrich all looked to be going better than armstrong. That was when tyler got a bad blood bag, and says he heard rumours ulrich did as well. All that also happened right after tyler beat lance by 1:22 in the ventoux TT at the dauphine.

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08/06/2013 01:10 AM
US postal had the most sophisticated doping regimen. Translation: They got caught. No, US Postal/Discover had the most sophisticated program. Translation: They had the inside line with the officials Well documanted by TT. And, TH seems to be hinting, they may have even been willing to mess with competitor's blood bags. (I am sure Fuentes' security was as tight as the rest of his operation; ie not very, so someone slipping in and swapping a few bags seems pretty believable to me.) I hope that never happened. I hope LA and his crew had enough of a moral code to not even think of that scenario. Ben

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08/06/2013 01:36 AM
Tyler did seem like he's hinting at that in his book. That would cross a whole new line. Bad blood could kill someone.

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08/06/2013 09:22 AM
What does "got a bad blood bag" mean? Does it mean Wrong blood? That often ends in an ICU admission and would be very, very hard (although not impossible) to hide. I assume based on the whole "chimera" nonsense that TH found a compatible and willing donor. Does it mean damaged by improper handling and refrigeration? It's not like a watered down scotch, it's dangerous. This whole line of reasoning of tampering with competitor's blood is pretty far-fetched, but then again, this IS the internet, so why not? I think LA's yellow bracelet was impregnated with special endurance enhancing secret sauce developed by the CIA, delivered in black helicopters.

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08/06/2013 10:41 PM
Have you read Secret Race, LSD? It's all in there. Tyler says he got a bad blood bag (of his own stored blood) right after he injured his back in the 2004 tour. He figures it wasn't stored properly and all cells were dead. Says he pissed dark red all night, and struggled through the stage the next day. He also tells a story about how lance came up to him the day after the transfusion happened and asked him if he thought the stage was hard. When Tyler says he was dying out there Lance supposedly gives him a smile and a look like he already knew. This ALL supposedly happened after the dauphine where Lance (according to Tyler) went to the UCI and accused Tyler of doping after tyler beat him in the ventoux TT. Tyler got called into some sort of meeting with Hein, and then got a letter right before the tour saying the UCI had their eye on him. You should read the book. The soap opera factor alone is worth the money.

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08/07/2013 05:06 PM
dayum, if true that really is evil.

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08/08/2013 07:48 AM
it is a helluva book, but as i seem to recall (and i could be wrong) TH's bad blood bag came after he started working with fuentes, who was considerably less meticulous than ferrari in keeping track of things (like whose blood bag was whose)