Orange Crush
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/19/2020 11:19 AM |
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Me, watching the finish today.....
WTF did I just watch?!?! Holy schitt. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/19/2020 11:20 AM |
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CK Porte is now virtual on podium!
I can’t believe he actually pulled it off!! |
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mondonico
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| 09/19/2020 11:24 AM |
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| Unbelievable. Three of four classifications And only 21. He not only won he crushed everyone. |
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longslowdistance
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| 09/19/2020 11:26 AM |
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| Unbelievable. |
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mondonico
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| 09/19/2020 11:27 AM |
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| I guess you could say there is a new patron. How can you not respect that showing. |
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79pmooney
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| 09/19/2020 11:29 AM |
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| Wow! Simply wow. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/19/2020 12:01 PM |
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So Dumoulin and Pogacar were roughly on par at base of climb.Tom shed a bunch of time on climb not just to Pogacar but also to van Aert etc. Poor choice to stay on TT rig was definitely a factor in gap.
That tiny gear Roglic was spinning was also telling. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 09/19/2020 12:39 PM |
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Poor choice to stay on TT rig was definitely a factor in gap.
Not necessarily....could have been a pacing issue just as easily. He was up on Wout substantially at the bottom of the climb, where Wout paced better...was behind at the bottom and went faster to take the lead by the line. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/19/2020 01:01 PM |
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Roglic also confirmed he had a poorly fitting helmet we wore for first time. Really? I was wondering about that when I saw him ride across line.
Tom is wondering about mental aspect of Roglic getting splits. Dumoulin never wants to know them, to avoid it messing with his brain.
The devil is in details. |
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6ix
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| 09/19/2020 05:28 PM |
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Saw this on Instagram and it really made me question things:
"On September 20th 2017 almost 3 years to the date, Tom Dumoulin put together a 430 watt 44:41 minute time trial to win the world time trial championships ahead of Primoz Roglic who finished a minute behind, and ahead of that years Tour de France Champion and Olympic bronze medalist Chris Froome who came in 80 seconds off pace. Today, a more experienced Tom Dumoulin did 440 watts average to the base of the final climb, then 430 watts for the ascend where he lost over a minute to today's winner, Tadej Pogacar. With this in mind one might be able to understand WHY Tom Dumoulin said that he doesn’t understand how Pogacar did what he did today. Until today, Tadej Pogacar’s best performance in an ITT at this level was 11th on stage 10 of the Vuelta last year, where Roglic took the win. Yes, we all know that Pogacar marginally beat Roglic this year in the Slovanian ITT championships by 9 seconds. It’s important to note that what we’re looking at in Pogacar’s performance today isn’t just his best performance ever, it’s the best time trial performance in the history of the sport. "
And that, my dear friends, is incredibly suspect. This is AFTER 3 really hard weeks of racing. Plus, Pogacar is more of a climber than a super strong TT specialist like Cancellara was. I'd believe Cancellara if he averaged 450 watts during an hour record attempt, but not a skinny climber that still isn't finished maturing and growing stronger. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/19/2020 06:22 PM |
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Interesting numbers 6ix. Definitely food for thought.
Toms numbers are curious though in that he is still building form and racing rhythm. I would have expected him to be below 2017 level. They are sending him to Vuelta to further hone his form. Also Watts is fine for first part of course where Pogacar and Tom were on par. But for climb watts per kg would rule I think. There are certainly questions to be asked but at same time the argumentation seems a bit short through curve and final sentence is not substantiated. |
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longslowdistance
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| 09/19/2020 08:58 PM |
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Repeat: Unbelievable.
That said, gotta admire some make Lance jealous level juice. Science marches on. |
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Orange Crush
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| 09/20/2020 12:45 PM |
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You called it LSD. Bennett.
Back to TT, I have seen reports that Pogacar broke Aru’s 2017 record up La Planche by between 2 and 17 seconds. This is far from a massive difference considering that Arus ride was a regular stage. Also reading that UAE came to TT course three times. They practiced the minute details down to bike change. This was a premeditated assassination. |
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79pmooney
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| 09/20/2020 12:48 PM |
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That felt different. I've gotten used to the formula of the final day procession being an ode to the Emperor, be that LA or the current Sky/Ineos or JV heir. An emperor whose ascension has been heralded for weeks.
And the end, the grand entry into Paris, the ratcheting of speed. That was according to script (except it took place on an uninhabited planet). A little weird having the green jersey on the wrong rider, but he did fulfill his obligation to win on the big stage, led out by courtiers who have been refining this regal entry for years.
And seriously, my hope (dream?) is that Pogacar's performance is real. That it stands the test of time and science as one of the great moments of a great race. He certainly turned a Tour that was a bit "ahnnn" (with more interest as to whether the race could even reach Paris without international scrutiny) to one I'm glad I followed every day. |
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