longslowdistance
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| 08/02/2021 08:48 PM |
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| Any idea what 2 watts means in 4k team pursuit time?
At the other end of the aero spectrum, how about a team pursuit or similar requiring a full upright position on classic Dutch commuters? Kinda Monty Python, but would be very telegenic, and ratings drive the Olympics nowadays. |
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Orange Crush
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| 08/02/2021 09:42 PM |
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Reads like they’re pushing 400-600 watts depending on position in group. So 2 watts is maybe 0.5% difference. So on a 4 min time maybe about 1 second gain.
Dutch bikes would certainly improve entertainment value. |
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79pmooney
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| 08/03/2021 10:45 AM |
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I just read the CyclingNews report on the Danish pursuit team riding into the dropped GB rider. WHat a mess! (And yes, Dutch bikes would have helped a lot here! Fix gear Dutch bikes.  )
What I don't understand is that there doesn't seem to be a clear "rules of the road" that applies here. In other forms of track racing, the rules are well established. I thought that in team pursuit the third rider is timed. A dropped fourth rider would than be basically out of the race and I would expect that he would be required to pull up track just so this never happens. The leader of the other team should never have to be looking for a slow moving solo rider. (Except for the rare "catch", this is TTT. On a velodrome; no potholes, pavement cracks or stray animals. Perfectly accurate painted lines to follow.)
Now, Olympic and UCI track rules have been changing at a furious rate for a sport older than the dinosaurs. (They completely emasculated the Keirin. Removing the standing start and the full contact fight for the motorpace wheel. As part of that full contact chess game, there were riders who stayed out of it to make their move from last place and high on the banking and were very good at it.)
I guess I should buy a TV, live jazz musician's hours and watch this stuff. But nah, I'll stick to my daytime routine and now go out to my patio to lay a few more tiles. Edit: and sadly, I can no longer ride two miles to the Alpenrose Velodrome and watch racing with an announcer who knew all the race rules and all the riders. In a couple of years, it will be a new housing development.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 08/03/2021 12:41 PM |
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I thought that in team pursuit the third rider is timed. A dropped fourth rider would than be basically out of the race and I would expect that he would be required to pull up track just so this never happens
According to VN, he was the third rider, not the fourth so he needed to finish. |
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longslowdistance
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| 08/03/2021 08:13 PM |
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New track event: Team Demolition Derby.
This is not a new event on the road, as demonstrated by the first week of the Tour this year. |
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79pmooney
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| 08/03/2021 10:31 PM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 08/03/2021 12:41 PM
I thought that in team pursuit the third rider is timed. A dropped fourth rider would than be basically out of the race and I would expect that he would be required to pull up track just so this never happens
According to VN, he was the third rider, not the fourth so he needed to finish.
Third rider. OK, that makes sense. (Doesn't say much for the GB pursuit team but I seem to recall their ace pro road team doing not all that much better when asked to do the TTT in 3 week tours.  )
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79pmooney
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| 08/03/2021 10:37 PM |
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| lsd, the new initials we have to learn: TDD. Sadly, the bikes they ride are really poor for that event. Heck, there was that Aussie bike that couldn't make the finish with no competition. |
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Orange Crush
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| 08/07/2021 08:22 AM |
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Posted By Orange Crush on 08/02/2021 09:42 PM
Reads like they’re pushing 400-600 watts depending on position in group. So 2 watts is maybe 0.5% difference. So on a 4 min time maybe about 1 second gain.
Dutch bikes would certainly improve entertainment value.
With tape Danes might have won gold
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tokyo-olympics-danes-banned-kinesiology-tape-could-have-swung-team-pursuit-in-italys-favour/ |
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79pmooney
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| 08/07/2021 09:00 PM |
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| OC, Dutch bikes would have made a YUGE difference! That tape would have made very close to zero difference. The Danes, sitting properly upright, would never have piled into the GB rider. And that Aussie bike would have survived a century or two of pursuit starts before the steel stem broke. |
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79pmooney
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| 08/08/2021 10:49 AM |
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A fitting justice (this belongs also in the TdF thread). Morkov winning the Madison Gold. The excellent (and selfless) sprinter who we all know could have taken at least a couple of Cavendish's wins last month.
I just saw the brief blurb in CyclingNews. They quoted Morkov saying he and his partner, Lasse Norman had won every Madison they rode together coming into the Olympics. Not really a huge surprise to anyone who's watched Morkov reliably set up sprinters in the chaos of Grand Tour sprint stage finishes. |
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Orange Crush
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| 08/08/2021 02:18 PM |
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With Olympics done, teamNL hauled in 36 medals. Average cost of investment per medal 3M Euro with cheapest being athletics (0.8M per medal) and most expensive being field hockey (8M for a single medal). Not quite a fair comparison as field hockey is an entire team getting one medal. Then some sports expended on the order of 5M and got nothing in return. Total investment 110M.
Curious how much other countries pour into the quest for glory. |
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longslowdistance
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| 08/08/2021 08:42 PM |
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| GB also impressive, at least in terms of medals per capita, especially in track cycling. |
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