Tortue Volante
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| 07/09/2013 09:43 PM |
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I still haven't seen the video, but the screen shots are pretty damning for Veeler.
Out of curiousity, how tall is he? Cav is pretty short with a low center of gravity. If Veeler is significantly taller, it's not surprising he went down from that bump.
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Inferno7
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| 07/09/2013 10:16 PM |
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| Thanks JA for posting that Gord hits the nail on the head. |
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79pmooney
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| 07/09/2013 11:55 PM |
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One of the lessons I learned in Car 3-4 racing a million years ago was that if there is going to be contact, hit them hard enough that you come out OK. Make contact with arms, elbows or shoulder. Protect your bars!!! It is up to the other rider to do the same.
I didn't see this, but reading you guys it sounds pretty clear that Cavendish did exactly that and the Argos guy broke several Cat 4 rules. And again, without seeing it, sounds like the outcome was exactly what I was taught.
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pikeHillRoad
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| 07/10/2013 09:21 AM |
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Yeah, I don't like Cav, but I think he definitely could have avoided this, but that would have trashed his chance in the sprint. Veelers was wobbling all over the place.
Also, this has been good sprinting this tour. 4 guys who are relatively evenly matched in Sagan, Cav, Kittel and Greipel. Good stuff.
And, yeah, I don't like can, but the urine thing in the TT is bull$4it. |
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bobswire
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| 07/10/2013 10:03 AM |
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Posted By Justin jmdirt on 07/09/2013 03:33 PM
I know that my old eyes are getting bad but I'm really wondering about some of the rest of the crew here.
-The sprint is full gas
-Veelers shuts it off in the middle of the road
Veelers made a cat. V move so it doesn't really matter what happened after that, he caused the problem.
Watch the over head view and see how far Veelers moves right to block Cav. If Veelers stays left, Cav just flies past on the right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Rb0Ba76IM
Veelers is wrong twice before there is even contact. People love to hate Cav. If this exact thing would have happened with any other sprinter it wouldn't even be discussed other than saying who was involved.
That was my take too,heat of battle,split second decisions $4it happens. Veelers put himself in harms way by not holding his line.
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/10/2013 10:58 AM |
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For thoise who haven't yet seen it....
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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stinkyhelmet
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| 07/10/2013 10:59 AM |
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Check out the front on shot video. You can see that Cav proactively and deliberately hits Veelers with his arm/shoulder. Cav was not protecting his line or his position. You can also see/imagine his intention with the shoulder check.
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/sporten/wielrennen/TourDeFrance/Tour_Nieuws_verslagen/MV_130709_TDF_laatste_km
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Cosmic Kid
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| 07/10/2013 11:00 AM |
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| I dunno....yeah, Veelers was drifting, but only slightly. He basically moved from just on the left side of the white line to just on the right side. Cav's move seems pretty damn aggressive for the circumstances. |
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| Just say "NO!" to WCP!!!!
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Dale
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| 07/10/2013 11:15 AM |
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Looking at the race in full speed it's easy to think Cav was a klutz but in slo-mo you see Veelers drifting AND slowing
I rule Cav 5% at fault and Veelers 95%
We can close the thread and end the discussion now  |
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79pmooney
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| 07/10/2013 11:19 AM |
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I got to watch it in very slow motion on Bob's video above. It is obvious Cav knows there is going to be contact though it looks like Cav should clear. When they hit, Veelers' shoulder is the farthest right of all the shots, like he did a last minute wobble to the right. Immediately after, his bars and front wheel are swung way left. Looks to me like Veelers did not either rider straight or protect his space and handlebars. And as I said above, Cav knew there could be contact, leaned into it and took care of himself.
Smaller riders always have the advantage when contact like that happens. It is up to the larger riders to be aware. (I used to sprint against Paul Curley, a small, very aggressive, rather Cav-like sprinter. I made it a point to always know where he was.)
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bobswire
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| 07/10/2013 11:49 AM |
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Posted By Cosmic Kid on 07/10/2013 10:58 AM
For thoise who haven't yet seen it....
Veers was making a wuss move to impede Cav, Cav was protecting himself while Veers was trying to be cute. The video only shows the consequence not what led up to that result.
Just follow the white line, that tells the story and why the race jury didn't fine Cav.
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GJanney
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| 07/10/2013 11:56 AM |
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| Watching the white line indicates that Veers was going straight along it. While I don't think it was Cav's intent to knock him down, I still think it was a punk move. |
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Keith Richards
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| 07/10/2013 12:05 PM |
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| Veelers darts to his right, then Cav makes contact. |
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It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. |
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pikeHillRoad
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| 07/10/2013 12:05 PM |
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| @gjanney - You have to see more than this clip. Before this thing starts, Veelers pulls off, drifts left, then comes back to the line before drifting slightly right of it - just before Cav hits him. He is guilty of at least riding squirrelly. Add to that an agro sprinter, and bam! |
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GJanney
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| 07/10/2013 12:10 PM |
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| PHR - I've seen the race several times, beyond this clip. I just have the opinion that Cav is being a pouty a** because he's having it handed to him in the sprints this year. |
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