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Cosmic Kid
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| 12/20/2019 05:55 PM |
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Impeached, but will never be convicted unfortunately.
I was hoping enough evidence would come out in the hearings and Senate trial to finally unmask the traitorous bastard, but since Moscow Mitch is determined to make a mockery of the process, my guess is that getting impeached will actually help him next November.
But regardless of outcome, it was the right decision to impeach him. I like the fact that Pelosi has not agreed to yet send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate....let him dangle in the wind as long as possible. Not only will it keep him focused on the impeachment, it will keep him unhinged.
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Orange Crush
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| 12/20/2019 06:52 PM |
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Agreed. Impeachment was needed. The offense was too blatant. In fact I'd make the point that one of the reasons you folks got saddled with Trump to begin with is because Reagan (Iran Contra, that damn plausible deniability) and W (the Iraq lie worthy of a war crimes tribunal) were not impeached for much greater offences creating a situation in which anyone can basically just do about anything and get away with it, heck even get elected president or be re-elected while being impeached.
At same time as the Trump impeachment the Afghan papers also popped up which show that various administrations across two decades basically lied through their teeth about the state of the war. So Trump is a bad guy, but who at the levers of power can really stand in judgement of him?
Trump will keep his voter base in next election no problem. His base were looking simply for a hand grenade to be lobbed into the political establishment. He's delivered 100% on that promise, one might argue even better than that.
A good read:
https://theweek.com/articles/885088/trump-drama-about-whole-lot-weirder |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/20/2019 06:54 PM |
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Another good read which provides a script for how the coming year will play out if nothing changes.
"If Biden is nominated in 2020, Trump is going to repeat the formula that made Hillary Clinton's emails the dominant story of 2016. He'll say "BIDEN UKRAINE CORRUPT" 90 billion times, and the New York Times political reporters with Both Sides brain poisoning will helplessly validate the narrative."
https://theweek.com/articles/884677/democrats-are-sleepwalking-into-biden-disaster |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/20/2019 07:40 PM |
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"There you go again" worked pretty well for the Gipper. Not sure Biden has those chops.
BTW, did you watch how Macron played 45 on Nato recently? Macron observed that NATO was on life support or something similar and Trump fell for the reverse psychology just like a good 5 year old and came to NATO's defense, just to be contrary.
45 should be 4-5, as in 4-5 year old. |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/20/2019 09:32 PM |
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That wasn't reverse psychology by Macon. It was a specific criticism of Turkey and US on Syria as going against NATO interests. In his own childish manner of speak Trump in fact has been on point in terms of "what are you going to do about it" and "pull your weight" one of few areas I agree with him. Europe have historically let US do all the dirty work and pull the financial cart to keep NATO rolling.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/03/trump-macron-brain-dead-nato-remarks |
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smokey52
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| 01/29/2020 09:31 PM |
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| Redux: Watching the Senate impeachment hearings -- How can the Republicans defend and support the orange turd? AD defends the abuse of power? Turtle Power! Mitch will acquit. |
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Dale
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| 01/30/2020 10:25 AM |
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It was a forgone concluding they'll acquit. No way that 67% of the senate with 53 R's will vote to remove the orange buffoon from office.
The moral gymnastics those clowns are doing to justify the blatant abuse of power in amazing.
At her peak Olga Korbut lacked that level of flexibility.
When I can put my disgust aside it's a fascinating window into a constitutional process that hopefully is a once-in-a-lifetime event. |
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Orange Crush
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| 01/30/2020 11:06 AM |
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Not a first, not a last. Good read. You're welcome.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/02/03/the-last-time-democracy-almost-died?fbclid=IwAR1uVu3Jy5RVjWUXTJWC0Y5PsN1jS3Wjfb-KYXT4p1mmrDWy6axhxenxYQ8 |
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79pmooney
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| 01/30/2020 12:17 PM |
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Thanks OC. That was quite a read. Both sobering and hopeful.
I was just back in Boston, the city of my childhood. I moved to across a narrow estuary from Oakland, CA in 1980. And sensed right away that the relationship between whites and blacks in Oakland was fundamentally different from the old, deep divide in Boston. (I was aware of that divide since I was 12 and my mom took us kids to see the famous statue of Colonel Robert Gould Shaw and his Massachusetts 54th troops around him. Mom told us that we were related, that he died leading those troops into battle and that he believed those troops were as good men as any on earth. From that day, I "saw" how the descendants of the slaves the 54th went to free were treated in the city the 54th came from. (And the real irony: the living link between Col Shaw and myself lived in wealthy Brookline, maybe a mile as the crow flies from the inner city ghetto of Roxbury.)
It would be years before I "got" that Oakland was the huge beneficiary of the Black Power movement that started there, lasted longer than in any other city and made fundamental changes. I did see right away that in Oakland, if you could do your job, position or calling well, you were respected; that color didn't matter. (And as a cyclist - that I could ride through the inner city section between Alameda where I lived and Berkeley relatively safely. If I flatted, well I might get beat up and my bike stolen, but it would because of the $$ value of the bike. In Boston it would be because I was hated. The bike $$ value would just be a plus. (I never, ever rode through Roxbury.)
I just spent a week with my siblings (to clean up family affairs now that both parents have passed), staying with two of them, both in the city proper. Spent a good portion of my time in blue collar neighborhoods, both white, mixed and black. Very encouraging. Yes, Roxbury is still Roxbury. I got lost in there trying to get from the airport to my sister's in Jamaica Plain (and lost in Boston is very, very lost!) One way streets everywhere with no apparent plan and laid out long before anyone ever dreamed up this concept that we call automobiles). I didn't stop for directions. (8pm, dark, being white and not physically imposing.) But later, outside the ghetto, I saw and felt a new Boston where in enough of a crunch, white and blacks just might roll up their sleeves and work together.
I wonder if just maybe, this administration might be the "event" that brings a unity this country has not seen since the depression and the WPA. (Another term of Trump might just be the best thing that has ever happened to this country. Weird concept!)
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Cosmic Kid
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| 01/30/2020 04:08 PM |
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Ben, if I am reading your post correctly, it sounds like you just had a big loss.
Hope you are doing well. |
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79pmooney
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| 01/30/2020 09:47 PM |
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CK, the loss was my mom last August. My dad passed 10 years ago. Yes, the sadness is still there. Plus now the sadness of knowing the home of my childhood and root all my life will be sold and virtually certainly the house torn down. It was tough leaving it Monday; until I thought that this old homestead that my dad had built and did so much work on and around now gets to be dream made real for another couple and family.
The circle of life. It's becoming quite real. I'm perhaps two decades from my natural end. Not far away at all.
And yes, I am doing quite well. Lot's of feelings but feelings aren't the end. |
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Dale
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| 01/31/2020 09:29 PM |
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"now gets to be dream made real for another couple and family. "
That's quite touching, Ben. When I sold the only home I really loved (15 wooded acres, a mile of trails, deer, turkey, persimmon trees, walnuts, creek... beautiful) I had some melancholy thoughts and wrote a note to the new family wishing them all the happiness I had experienced in the years I lived there. Every time I drive south from Kansas City past my little former home town it brings back happy memories. |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/02/2020 10:17 PM |
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. Every time I drive south from Kansas City
You know that is in Kansas, right?
#Bufoon45 |
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Dale
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| 02/03/2020 07:55 AM |
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bwahaha.... fookin' idiot!
Too bad Pompeo didn't ask -45 to find Ukraine (or Missouri) on a map. |
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Orange Crush
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| 02/16/2020 10:17 AM |
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This is an important read.
https://urbanandracialequity.org/2020presidentialscorecard/?fbclid=IwAR2_Wf4Bhb_qDoKRAfEHKd1JinO2DAvIcR4uYaX2m7OUbvS9v8cmFxmj6Ic
A lot of fine print in the read more section of Buttigiegs score. |
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