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Master's doping
Last Post 01/06/2014 11:22 AM by Evgeni Berzin. 28 Replies.
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79pmooney
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| 11/27/2013 12:47 PM |
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http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/news/masters-racer-richard-meeker-suspended-2-years-for-doping-violation_310125
"The statement says that Meeker tested numerous supplements he had been
taking and kept the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency updated of his progress."
So, two scenarios: If you take enough supplements, esp ones manufactured at shady labs, you ought to be able to find one that "works". And you have an alibi. Or use the straight stuff, just being careful to use one likely found in some shady supplement. And if you get caught? Well, the lab fees will add up, but the chances are good that a suitable alibi will be found.
I have trouble being sympathetic. I raced using no supplements whatever, just what God gave me and real food. Perhaps that's why I was never going to get beyond being a lowly II, but I suspect the best stuff would have only raised me to a better placing II.
Ben
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huckleberry
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| 11/27/2013 01:08 PM |
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Does his alibi pass the sniff test?
IMO, not even close.
To anyone with half a brain, Lance was obviously dirty. I imagine those same people think doping in Masters racing is not happening hardly at all, much less at the levels that appear obvious here in California. |
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Dale
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| 11/27/2013 01:08 PM |
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A new rule--> If you hire Howard Jacobs to defend you and you're found guilty--- automatic lifetime ban
The go-to attorney of slime ball dopers
Too bad tainted supplements are such an easy go-to excuse.
http://www.nsfsport.com Interesting organization that certifies supplements as dope-free |
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Cosmic Kid
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| 11/27/2013 06:18 PM |
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One of the very weird things about ST is some of those guys have a unsettling tendency to go out and cyber-stalk people that they feel are cheaters. They dig up old info, browse race photos, etc. they get a kick out of it and all them "Twitch Hunts."
Anyway, some have been cyber-stalking Meeker, trying to dig up more info. Hit his FB page, his wife's, his team's, etc. somehow they found the report on his appeal. Net-net: the appeals board laughed at his appeal. The samples tested were all found to be negative, but then he "found" some more product that he turned in which was positive. Funny 'dat. Here was the appeal board's response:
“[Meeker] stated… the “loose white powder” at the bottom of the bottle was accumulated by his pouring capsules and debris from other containers to his Race Caps Supreme bottle… The problem is that there was 4.32 grams of such powder in the bottle and not a single empty capsule shell. Respondent testified that he would “pick out” an empty capsule shell occasionally as he might encounter one in pouring out a pill. He had no specific recollection of picking any such shells out of this bottle… A single tablet of Endurolytes is 250mg. Therefore, 4.32 grams of powder would mean that at least 36 empty Endurolyte capsule shells had accompanied the powder in the original container and/or this container at one time. Picking this powder clean of no less than 36 little shells is an activity that would seem to this Panel to have taken some memorable effort.”
I was shocked when I read the VN article, simply because it seemed to lend at least some degree of credibility to Meeker's defense, when the reality is that it was a complete farce.
Guy is a giant asshat. Enjoy your suspension, douchebag. |
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79pmooney
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| 11/27/2013 11:43 PM |
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"Picking this powder clean of no less than 36 little shells is an activity that would seem to this Panel to have taken some memorable effort.”
Well that really should be 16 or 17 little shells. (250 mg is 1/4 gram. 4.32grams/1/4 gram =17.28 capsules.)
This sounds like an old-school stoner. "Damn, out of pot! Guess I'm going to have to scrap out my pipes and smoke the resin." 3 hours later he has one small sticky pile to show for his efforts.
And we are supposed to believe he is innocent?
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jacques_anquetil
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| 11/28/2013 08:55 AM |
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cycling in the south bay does some great analysis of the situation.
http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2013/11/23/doped/
http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2013/11/27/saved-by-a-$4itty-lawyer/ |
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Orange Crush
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| 11/28/2013 12:07 PM |
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Over the weekend I drank two bottles of red and ate some strange pork-like meat prepared a la Espanol.
On Monday I sprinted up Buckingham Heights on my 30lbs commuter like the hill did not exist.
It works. |
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Gonzo Cyclist
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| 12/01/2013 12:47 PM |
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| Don't under-estimate the power of the Pig OC! Ha Ha Ha Ha I like doping on Carne Adovada, but I'm not so sure it is performance enhancing! |
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wanker
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| 12/03/2013 05:22 PM |
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| As usual, Seth nailed it.
I predict there will be more positives from the So Cal Master's scene. Plenty of money and ego. |
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Berzin
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| 12/04/2013 05:51 PM |
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There doesn't have to be tons of money or prestige at stake for people to dope. If any of you know any dopers in the amatuer ranks, it's all about ego and going fast.
Just having cats from the Sunday club run tell you you were flying is enough to get to these rider's heads. The ego is a pathetic little beast. |
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ccrider
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| 12/05/2013 12:53 AM |
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I know Meeker, he's a nice guy and he probably did dope. His defense is very similar to USAC/Amber Nebens defense so don't blame the attorney or Meeker for using it, blame USAC for creating it. To me he's just another cyclist that got caught but lets not mistake his doping from his talent, some people are just gifted. With or without dope Meeks still would have won races, its not like he doesn't ride a $4it ton of miles.
Masters and juniors are at the fringes of sport, it doesn't take much to be better then the field, sometimes its dope and sometimes its just more miles, both have a profound effect on the athlete. Guys like Seth get the $4it kicked out of them weekend after weekend because they don't have the legs, or the years of experience. Nobody likes a doper but lets not kid ourselves, its mostly not the dope why some of these masters consistently win.
I live in LA and their are at least 5 guys in every cat that people know they dope but cyclist in general are passive aggressive and won't call them out. Cyclist need to man up, if you have a problem with a master doping call them out. Its hilarious to read all the thoughts on Meeker, after reading everything its shows how dumb cyclist are, they only think your a doper when you get caught! Wise up, their are dopers on Seths team Spy, Amgen, Monster Media, Velo Pasadena, Surf City, Predator and I'm sure I left out a few.
I know I'm in the minority but I don't care if masters dope, I still place in a race or two every year and when I win its special. I have a problem with USADA or USAC wasting time on the weekend warriors and not spending money testing the pros. Their were more masters tested in the last 4 years then riders at the TOC for the same time period. Maters doping and getting caught has no effect on the sport, what is killing the sport are the doped pros and mismanagement of sport by USAC. |
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stinkyhelmet
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| 12/05/2013 11:17 AM |
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"Masters....are at the fringes of sport, it doesn't take much to be better then the field, sometimes its dope and sometimes its just more miles.....I know I'm in the minority but I don't care if masters dope, I still place in a race or two every year and when I win its special."
+1.
It just makes me train more. My field has a few questionable riders and they are the ones that I visualize beating when I am out training. |
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79pmooney
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| 12/05/2013 01:08 PM |
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Is USADA tasked with the actual testing of athletes? I thought that was the job of the cycling organization, ie USAC and UCI.
I am under the impression that USAC's mission (stated or otherwise) is to advance US pros while looking "responsible". Catching a US pro would be directly contrary to their mission. Catching masters helps their image. As a case in point, I will suggest that it would be near impossible for Steve Johnson and USAC to not have known of LA's doping years ago, given the extremely close ties between them, Tailwind Sports, Thom Weisel, etc. but since exposing that would be contrary to their mission, mouths stayed shut.
And to add more cynicism: Amgen and the TOC are very closely linked to all of the parties above. Little USAC drug testing at the TOC? Is anyone surprised? And I will speculate that USAC works hard to keep USADA out of the loop, because the USADA man in charge, if tasked with testing and catching dopers, would probably do the testing right, catch some big names and upset more than a few apple carts.
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jacques_anquetil
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| 12/05/2013 01:46 PM |
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i dunno ccrider. you may have seen this article already, but a teammate of Meeker's had the following to say of his lack of riding 'a $4it ton of miles':
Meeker’s a smart and savvy crit racer, but he wasn’t known for having an exhausting training regimen. You know that Russian wrestler who carried logs uphill in the deep snow in Siberia? Meeker wasn’t like that. He used to say that the reason he was so fast was unlike other masters he didn’t over train.
http://socalcycling.com/2013/11/26/confessions-meeker-groupie-bought-max-kash-agro/ |
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longslowdistance
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| 12/30/2013 09:29 PM |
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| The main page has a story about a successful 62 year old roadie getting a two year ban for doping. Not Meeker, someone else. A lot of resources were spent to bag a senior citizen. Would the effort and money have been better utilized elsewhere? Or was it worth it by showing that no one is beyond the reach of USADA? And what does it mean to a 62 year old to get a 2 year ban? Will he spend his best years on the sidelines, and have a hard time getting a contract when the ban is over? Drift into a deep depression like Marco Pantani? Or just not give a fig and move on? |
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