Keith Richards
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| 12/16/2013 10:45 AM |
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Jens Voigt Q&A
Jens's reply when asked if he would be worried if they re-tested a blood sample of his from 1998:
"No I didn’t even know if I was tested then or not. Fuck it was 15 years ago. I don’t know if was tested or not." |
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It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. |
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Dale
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| 12/16/2013 11:02 AM |
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| The whole dialog is classic Jens.
He interviews like he rides a bike. |
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Keith Richards
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| 12/16/2013 11:13 AM |
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Dale...I guess. But what he is saying ain't pretty...
CN: Yes. You’re essentially in a position where you’re looking after number one to certain a degree. There’s only a certain shelf life an athlete has in their career and if look at some examples, for example someone like Bassons or Simeoni, they rode in the same era as you. Bassons rode clean and you’ve implied the same but he spoke in a different way.
JV: I guess. You look at those examples and as I said you have to look for your balance. Okay if I say whatever I want without looking at the consequences but I risk being on the outside or I say a milder version of what I think and then I stay inside. Looking out for number one sounds easy and selfish but I have a family and children so I can’t act like a renegade or a rebel all the time. I’m having a life, I have to pay taxes, my insurance, my phone bill, school, the kids. I just can’t do whatever I want. It’s the same with training. There are times when I don’t want to train all week but I have that responsibility for my family. |
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It is his word versus ours. We like our word. We like where we stand and we like our credibility."--Lance Armstrong. |
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Yo Mike
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| 12/16/2013 11:27 AM |
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Nice guys don't always finish last, or first, but they often get extra consideration, even when playing dumb
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zootracer
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| 12/16/2013 11:31 AM |
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| Jens is da man... |
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Orange Crush
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| 12/16/2013 12:07 PM |
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Well he's right about those 15 year old samples.
Focus on catching the current dopers so that we don't have to go through this $4it again 15 years from now.
And I like how he turns the questioning around. |
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Dale
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| 12/16/2013 01:09 PM |
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Another Jenism's from the former place we used to get our news
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/analysis/velo-awards-most-dramatic-day-of-domestic-racing-jens-voigt-stage-5-amgen-tour-of-california_311252
Why did Voigt make his move so far from the finish?
“Just to cause chaos and mayhem. Isn’t that a good enough reason?” said Voigt. |
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79pmooney
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| 12/16/2013 02:19 PM |
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Dale, that was a great quote! Classic Jens.
I will always have mixed feelings about him. A doper who I am sure got a big life-long boost from his regime. I will be glad when all of that era have retired. At the same time, a rider with an enormous engine he was never afraid to fire up and use and a rider with a huge heart to match. Probably the humblest and nicest of any of the riders who could occasionally matter. And a lovable klutz, both on the bike and with words. It will be sad to see him retire.
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Entheo
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| 12/16/2013 04:43 PM |
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benson's line of questioning reminded me of the old back-handed compliment "your friends said you weren't fit to sleep with the pigs, but i stood up for you and said that you were."
when breaks went jens was rarely caught out. he read benson's motives to perfection in that interview as well. |
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Master50
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| 12/22/2013 01:04 PM |
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I like the guy. I will miss him when he does retire. About the possibility of a dark past? well he was a pro out of that time.
In terms of today's context? I expect that if the peloton is real riding on food then he is too. |
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Ron
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| 02/27/2014 05:18 PM |
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It would be very, very interesting to somehow know/test/see how much a rider benefitted long-term from a period of intense, regulated doping.
So many variables, but would be interesting to see if, in fact, donkeys can be made into occasionally winners of suicide breaks. |
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mondonico
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| 02/27/2014 10:34 PM |
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| I love Jens. Named my cat after him. As for doping don't know and at this point don't care. But he did start his career in East Germany back in the day as a youth. Not that they ever doped. |
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stronz
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| 02/28/2014 09:09 AM |
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Love Jens -- and I couldnt care less if he doped. He has to say the right things to keep working. They all do. I have reached the point where I assume the entire sport is dirty. Read the news about Xenon use over at CN? see link below. The truth is that all pro teams are looking for ways to enhance performance without getting caught. The Russians think using Xenon to displace Oxygen and force the body to make more hemoglobin is OK and point out that it is not specifically excluded by the rules. Garmin looked at it (thats right squeaky clean Garmin) and concluded it was the equivalent of doping. Having the same effect as breathing a lower concentration of Oxygen - which is apparently not doping. (Why again?) So for me its time to just assume they all are on rocket fuel and enjoy the "spectacle"(I di not say "sport")
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/xenon-gas-should-be-banned-says-garmin-sharp-doctor |
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Dale
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| 02/28/2014 12:22 PM |
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The hell!?!?!
“There was talk of carbon monoxide being a good stimulant for EPO production. We heard that a team in the last year had been experimenting with that, and that’s similar to Xenon in general terms. We thought it was probably a bad idea to try and pursue the idea.”
"Probably a bad idea"
'Ya think?
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Cosmic Kid
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| 02/28/2014 04:15 PM |
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Posted By stronzo nonfumare on 02/28/2014 09:09 AM
Love Jens -- and I couldnt care less if he doped. He has to say the right things to keep working. They all do. I have reached the point where I assume the entire sport is dirty. Read the news about Xenon use over at CN? see link below. The truth is that all pro teams are looking for ways to enhance performance without getting caught. The Russians think using Xenon to displace Oxygen and force the body to make more hemoglobin is OK and point out that it is not specifically excluded by the rules. Garmin looked at it (thats right squeaky clean Garmin) and concluded it was the equivalent of doping. Having the same effect as breathing a lower concentration of Oxygen - which is apparently not doping. (Why again?) So for me its time to just assume they all are on rocket fuel and enjoy the "spectacle"(I di not say "sport")
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/xenon-gas-should-be-banned-says-garmin-sharp-doctor
So if it is not banned by WADA, the UCI or the IOC, why shouldn't any team look into it?
There was an interesting discussion a few weeks ago over on ST, asking if doping were legalized (testoterone, EPO, etc), would you use the products?
A bunch of people got all indignant and said "NO!! IT IS STILL DOPING!!!", which just struck me as silly. It is illegal because the governing bodies say it is illegal. There is no inherent moral quality to those actions, other than what we assign it. If they become legal, why WOULDN'T you look into it (especially since you know your competition will be using it)?
Same as AICAR....only ruled illegal before the 2012 season (or maybe 2011)....prior to that, it was not specifically banned, so if anyone used it, they were not cheating or doing anything wrong.
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